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Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.22 03:05:00 - [1] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 21/06/2008 19:01:04 It allready happened more than a year ago. Who cares if it was already nerfed last year? The imbalances still exists so it was obviously not adjusted enough.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.22 03:57:00 - [2] What is sad about this whole Nano ordeal is that corps like this Invicta who are a bunch of mediocre PvPers at best are able to make a name for themselves just because they are exploiting a game imbalance.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.22 04:05:00 - [3] Originally by: Marlenus Originally by: Kelli Flay What is sad about this whole Nano ordeal is that corps like this Invicta who are a bunch of mediocre PvPers at best are able to make a name for themselves just because they are exploiting a game imbalance. Nah, I'm calling bull on that. Whatever you think of nanos, they are tricky to use well, and Invicta has been putting on an impressive performance with them in Tama. Despite having lost ships in that pointless meatgrinder, that's pretty hard to dispute in good faith. All I am saying is that they are becoming like "minor EvE celebrities" on the forums only because they use nanos. Seriously, i am not impressed. I can go REAL fast in my Vagabond and run away from fights too. Nah, they are just an average corp. Not much different than anything you see in null sec which is filled with nano gangs. The difference is they are killing former mission runners and ex-carebears now. {golf clap}
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.22 04:36:00 - [4] Originally by: Corstaad If you trained for PvE ships and max dps slow ships don't complain about fast ships. Its really that simple you wanted to pawn L4s and EFT warrior. I feel if I base my whole first year of sps in order to fly faster more agile ships I should be able to. Guess what my BS just won't be as good as yours my toon sucks at pve ships. It happens you choose to fly those ship so deal with the disadvantages along with the advantages. Wow are you stupid or something? I guess you have us all pegged. We are ALL mission runners complaining because we only trained very slow ships!!!!! Nobody has a problem with very fast ships. A vaga is a very fast ship. An Interecptor is a very fast ship. Ships which are designed to go very fast are perfectly acceptable.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.22 04:38:00 - [5] Originally by: Spineker And for all you PVP experts the damn Precision Missiles are Precision not fast. They have 250 more explosive speed then standard missiles. But if the missile never reaches target it doesn't much matter does it? You do realize they are slower then the standard missiles? No well find me a 150km web or neut while you are looking for those magic missiles Oh they know all about this. The problem is the facts get in their way.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.22 04:46:00 - [6] Originally by: La Hafiz Edited by: La Hafiz on 22/06/2008 04:38:55 Originally by: Spineker And for all you PVP experts the damn Precision Missiles are Precision not fast. They have 250 more explosive speed then standard missiles. But if the missile never reaches target it doesn't much matter does it? You do realize they are slower then the standard missiles? No well find me a 150km web or neut while you are looking for those magic missiles Excuse me? Why do you need a 150km web or neutralizer? No nanofitted ships that will do any damage will exceed around 28 km, usually will be orbiting way shorter. T2 heavy neut is 25.2km. Faction is 28. More than enough. EDIT Maybe you misunderstood my initial post? I'm saying that nanos are fine, and that people need to adapt. There don't need to be any nerfs because there are valid tactics to take them down. Actually, there a a lot of tactics which make them run away. There are very few tactics which "take them down" unless you set up a specific anti-nano gang in which case leaves you vulnerable to most things non-nano. In other words, why should people have to "adapt" to something that shouldn't be in the game in the first place?
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.22 04:59:00 - [7] Originally by: La Hafiz Originally by: Kelli Flay Originally by: La Hafiz Edited by: La Hafiz on 22/06/2008 04:38:55 Originally by: Spineker And for all you PVP experts the damn Precision Missiles are Precision not fast. They have 250 more explosive speed then standard missiles. But if the missile never reaches target it doesn't much matter does it? You do realize they are slower then the standard missiles? No well find me a 150km web or neut while you are looking for those magic missiles Excuse me? Why do you need a 150km web or neutralizer? No nanofitted ships that will do any damage will exceed around 28 km, usually will be orbiting way shorter. T2 heavy neut is 25.2km. Faction is 28. More than enough. EDIT Maybe you misunderstood my initial post? I'm saying that nanos are fine, and that people need to adapt. There don't need to be any nerfs because there are valid tactics to take them down. Actually, there a a lot of tactics which make them run away. There are very few tactics which "take them down" unless you set up a specific anti-nano gang in which case leaves you vulnerable to most things non-nano. In other words, why should people have to "adapt" to something that shouldn't be in the game in the first place? Not exactly sure what you're trying to say, but here's my response. Nanoships gained popularity against slow ships with slow tracking, simply because they can't hit them. Nanoships spawned from players adapting. This in turn leads to the situation where we are at right now. Many players still are back at stage one in traditional slow ships with slow tracking fitted to hit other slow ships. What needs to change for people whining about not being able to hit nanoships is to do one of the things I said earlier on page 1. Most of your solutions on page one require people to fly very specific ships. Maybe you feel that every gang should have at least one of those ships in their fleet but what if one isn't available? Everyone should just pack up their stuff and go home? You do realize that a Huggin for example, will be the first ship primaried by the nanofag gang right? And I just laughed at the Autocannon suggestion. I didn't know Autocannons prevent nanofags from having 100% immunity to webs and scrams {unless the nano pilot is an idiot} Not to mention that telling people to train another race is always a good counter to something that is broken right? Glad my char is Minmater or I guess I would be screwed.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.22 05:31:00 - [8] Originally by: La Hafiz Edited by: La Hafiz on 22/06/2008 05:13:30 Originally by: Kelli Flay Not to mention that telling people to train another race is always a good counter to something that is broken right? Glad my char is Minmater or I guess I would be screwed. I think you're forgetting that there is no "i-win" ship in eve. Not every ship is designed to be able to hit a speed-fit ship. You can't pull that excuse when fighting in a drake fit out to do missions against a vagabond. Not every ship can be set up for a speed-fit, and not every ship can be set up to kill a speed-fit ship. I don't have a problem with speed fitted ships but when they render most other ship's weapons and modules useless and gives the nanopilot the ability to flee every fight he cannot win, then it is broken. Vagas are a whole different animal. They were designed by CCP to go as fast as they do and ridiculous speed is a feature of the ship. Nano supporters need to stop bringing them into the discussion because they are pretty irrelevant to the topic.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.22 07:23:00 - [9] Originally by: Marco Ragnos omg, you guys are so stupid! You keep giving excuses why nanos are unfair, I don't even want to argue every stupid thing I've read. How much is a nicely fit rapier-ishtar-vaga I'd say 250 mil isk plus. How much is a drake? If ten guys have ships worth more than your 40 man fleet of kestrels and caracals, you all should get poded. You expect them to lose thier **** to you??? Yes they can choose their fight and so can you!! Let's say for the caldari militia... What are your strengths? How about getting 3 falcons in your group? Those 10 ships won't be doing anything. Of course they can just run off if they don't get close. Second, let them come to you, don't go sending a few intys to them. If your gang is together and people actually have webs... God its easy. Heavy neuts are great. If you are angry cause you can't kill a vaga in a kestrel,caracal or drake, quit fw and go kill guristas. And complaining about snakes and polycarbs... WTF, if you pay that much money, you deserve to go fast. Not everyone in fw are newbs. Most of these "nano" dudes have much 0.0 exp. So either adapt or die The good old "it is okay that it is unbalanced since I paid a lot of isk" response. It is amusing how you muppets can't come up with better arguments than the amount of isks it cost and "fly a Huggin"
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.22 07:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Sokratesz We dont need a nano nerf, we need a tank nerf. Yes, a speed tanking nerf.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.22 09:01:00 - [11] Originally by: Marco Ragnos Edited by: Marco Ragnos on 22/06/2008 07:47:33 Originally by: Kelli Flay Originally by: Marco Ragnos omg, you guys are so stupid! You keep giving excuses why nanos are unfair, I don't even want to argue every stupid thing I've read. How much is a nicely fit rapier-ishtar-vaga I'd say 250 mil isk plus. How much is a drake? If ten guys have ships worth more than your 40 man fleet of kestrels and caracals, you all should get poded. You expect them to lose thier ** to you??? Yes they can choose their fight and so can you!! Let's say for the caldari militia... What are your strengths? How about getting 3 falcons in your group? Those 10 ships won't be doing anything. Of course they can just run off if they don't get close. Second, let them come to you, don't go sending a few intys to them. If your gang is together and people actually have webs... God its easy. Heavy neuts are great. If you are angry cause you can't kill a vaga in a kestrel,caracal or drake, quit fw and go kill guristas. And complaining about snakes and polycarbs... WTF, if you pay that much money, you deserve to go fast. Not everyone in fw are newbs. Most of these "nano" dudes have much 0.0 exp. So either adapt or die The good old "it is okay that it is unbalanced since I paid a lot of isk" response. It is amusing how you muppets can't come up with better arguments than the amount of isks it cost and "fly a Huggin" Wow... Your right I should be able to put a good fight versus a vaga in a t1 cruiser... Uh no... I think we should nerf bmw for making better cars than Kia ... People shouldnt be able to have better cars just because they payed more... You lack common sense- of course the cost makes a difference. If you have a crappy fit or can't fly a decent ship and are a pvp noob, of course its unbalanced. Why should it be otherwise. You need to play wow... Wait you might complain that its unbalanced cause you lvl 30 paladin can't kill a lvl 60 A Vaga goes very fast even without the Nano setup. Why do these noobs keep trying to use the Vaga as an example to prove their point? Nobody here is complaining about Vagabonds. And of course, this moron throws in the standard "go back to Wow" response as well. I think YOU**are the one who should be playing WoW. You certainly don't understand this game very well so something that caters to young kids might suit you better.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.22 09:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Sokratesz Edited by: Sokratesz on 22/06/2008 09:39:59 Yes because a 30 man battleship gang is fun to move around when you've got to make a 50j round trip in order to get a fight Nano's are fine, not overpowered at all as they die horribly fast to even a prepared battleship (heavy neuts, valkyries..man the options are so blindingly obvious its painful). The overpowered tank on BS'es however makes sure people use nanos so much. Using your logic: then WCS never should have been nerfed and were fine as they were because BS tanks are sooooooo OPered and it isn't fair that someone should be scramed and die to them.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.22 11:00:00 - [13] Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII Originally by: Kelli Flay Originally by: Reem Fairchild Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 21/06/2008 19:01:04 It allready happened more than a year ago. Who cares if it was already nerfed last year? The imbalances still exists so it was obviously not adjusted enough. Because YOU cant kill a nano ship makes them imbalanced? tried using your brains and the tools that eve offers you to kill them? it is possible. I never said I couldn't or haven't. I said they are imbalanced. Idiot.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.22 11:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Tenuo Originally by: Kelli Flay Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII Originally by: Kelli Flay Originally by: Reem Fairchild Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 21/06/2008 19:01:04 It allready happened more than a year ago. Who cares if it was already nerfed last year? The imbalances still exists so it was obviously not adjusted enough. Because YOU cant kill a nano ship makes them imbalanced? tried using your brains and the tools that eve offers you to kill them? it is possible. I never said I couldn't or haven't. I said they are imbalanced. Idiot. You are the idiot. Stop posting. lol at this noob. Getting personal because you are afraid they might take your i-win button away? clown.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.22 13:50:00 - [15] Originally by: Venec Edited by: Venec on 22/06/2008 13:47:02 Edited by: Venec on 22/06/2008 13:46:05 I knew this was coming, bunch of empire bears whining not being able to catch nanogangs. Get some Eagle's fitted for sniping. Get some BB's. Get some more BB's. Get some ceptors with webs. Get some BS's fitted for sniping. Get some Cerbs fitted with precision missiles. And more importantly, get some balls. You're not shooting NPC's anymore for christ sake. I knew this was coming. Another condescending ******* with a paste and post reply that has already been shot down 5,000 times tonight.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.22 14:05:00 - [16] Edited by: Kelli Flay on 22/06/2008 14:05:51 Originally by: Venec It hasn't been shot down, becouse know what? It's what we do in 0.0, not to mention brining other non-caldari ships such as curse or rapier. You're just too lazy to adapt, and it's not nano's problem. I'll ask you a question, when you take the mission, do you fit for the right dmg type, or you just lose ship and go whine on forums? 1) Am I am too lazy to adapt to a broken aspect of the game? Yes. Then again, I wouldn't exactly call it laziness. More of a case of being annoyed by it. 2) I don't do missions. Do you? 3) It has been shot down time and time again all night but I understand that you just want to keep your "get out of jail" cards and not see them get nerfed. I mean, if it were so easy to counter, you muppets wouldn't be here so vehemently arguing about it. Would you?
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.22 16:01:00 - [17] Originally by: Mangold Originally by: Kelli Flay I knew this was coming. Another condescending ******* with a paste and post reply that has already been shot down 5,000 times tonight. I've read this thread with interest. First of all let me say that I have flown a nanoship myself for a long time (a Vagabond to be exact) and have been fighting nano gangs aswell. I consider myself skilled in both aspects. Now, there are several tactis to kill a nano-gang. A few of them has been highlighted in this thread but there are many more. Jamming would be a good start. As far as I can see this thread has been birthed by Caldari Militia's inability to take on nano-gangs. I have just one thing to say: If you fail to kill them time and time again using the exact same tactic, maybe you should try another? (hint drakes isn't the key). And to Ms Flay. Your posts in this thread leads us to belive that you are a avid pvper with great experience with countless battles in your ship. Well, i dont know how to put it, but you were born 20 May 2008 and there is no mention of your name on battleclinic, eve-kill or eve-kb. You are either: a) inexperienced and don't know what you are talking about. b) using Ms Flay as an alt to avoid revealing your true identity. How is it? Gee, you are just now figuring out that this is an alt? My real identity isn't relevant. This is my trader alt and what I post with. /shrug. I also hope you are not lecturing me on how I should not fly a Drake. I don't even really fly Caldari at all although i have skills to fly their ships. I am not in the Caldari militia either. Why is it people on the forums presume to know so much about someone they don't know anything about?
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.22 16:11:00 - [18] Micheal J Fox...rofl
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.22 16:57:00 - [19] Originally by: Mangold Originally by: Kelli Flay Gee, you are just now figuring out that this is an alt? My real identity isn't relevant. This is my trader alt and what I post with. /shrug. I also hope you are not lecturing me on how I should not fly a Drake. I don't even really fly Caldari at all although i have skills to fly their ships. I am not in the Caldari militia either. Why is it people on the forums presume to know so much about someone they don't know anything about? First off. Using an alt to express your feeling towards anything isn't really helping you. I've seen a few well known pvpers in this thread with several thought through ideas that you just brush off as "something that wont work as everyone already know". Using that kind of argument with an alt doesn't impress me. Second, I am not lecturing you how to fly a drake. I didn't even say that you were in the Caldari Militia. Why don't you try to re-read my post. Don't try to change my post into something it isn't. My point still stands. You have not present one valid argument apart from some statements that nanos are overpowered and that every suggestion on tactics against nanos wont work. Way to go..... First off, i am not here to impress you. I am sooooooo very sorry if I ruffled the feathers of a few "well known pvpers" but did it ever occur to you that they might be just protecting their own interests? If there wasn't a legit issue here, i doubt there would have been THIS much discussion all night. Secondly, I didn't start any threads on this forum. I just stated my opinions and was immediately attacked by the nano fan boys. It ****ed me off so I stuck around. Thirdly, i presented many arguments and points on why Nano's are unbalanced and the problems they cause for those unprepared and why it is almost impossible to BE prepared for them without nerfing your gang/fleet against most anything else. You don't have to agree with me but don't be running your mouth saying I didn't make points. Just because you think something isn't valid doesn't make it so. It is your opinion and my opinion. Deal with it. Lastly, I will post on any char I feel like. When you pay my sub, you can tell me when I should post on my main. Like i told another guy, it doesn't matter if I post on my main or this character because they both agree with me.

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